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Offline Grimmwolf

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« on: July 23, 2002, 09:03:24 PM »
Next week we will be playing our GB&Friends vs World again. I hope to see you there, on our team or the enemy's. The use of a password has yet to be determined. If that is the case it will be distributed, using the usual ways.

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2002, 12:41:11 AM »
Ok, it was Bios vs Belters. We went Bios Sup, they used Tac/Shipyard. Their Tac killed our miners eary on because we had no miner defense. While half of our team was successfully bombing their Tac, the rest of the team did nothing. At least it looked like that. Long story short, the killed us with missile frigates and dests.

The second game was more promising, though I had to quit early and don't know the result for sure. We started with giga Tac vs IC Tac. Their miners died very quickly, ours survived a bit longer, I was on miner d. They died again, when I was on bombing duty. I should not do that, people obviously don't like miner d. (Drstrgnlv messaged me in game:"if more than you were defedning your team would be huge") This was after he destroyed our last miner again, while I defended our new Exp Con. But this was already late in game, we had lost it earlier.
We had a Bomber run going on, Serebrone as pilot. Damn shame he did not listen to us. We told him to rip to the tac as soon as we heard the bomber warning. He did not listen. Out of a team of 15 he blocked 5 (!) players just by not ripping to d (there was plenty of time). Well, the Tac died and so did our chances of winning the game. Oh, he  never ripped in, he tried (!) to bomb an op, ö4.
When we had a new tac up, the already had a bomber on the way to it, with 7 Nans on it. Unstoppable...
Since I dont know the final results, I have no idea how we were killed.

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2002, 12:53:40 AM »
i had booted this moron sereborn for this dumbness to say it in best alleg chat :)

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2002, 12:55:49 AM »
I don't know if it was my fault or the fault of the team that we lost all two games on this huge map with no starting money...

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2002, 01:12:24 PM »
Wie verteidige ich die miner am effektivsten? Krall ich mir nen int und flieg ihm überall hinterher? Oder leg ich erst los, wenn er schon angegriffen wird? Mit was?

Und umgekehrt. Was für eine Scanrange at ein Miner? gibt's was effektiveres als SB gegen sie?

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2002, 01:37:46 PM »
Am effektivsten haben sich eine Kombination aus Scout (mit Nan) und Interceptor erwiesen (oder ein zweiter Scout).

Der eine repariert den Miner (oder wird vorher abgeschossen), der ander knallt den Gegner ab. ;)

Immer schön in der nähe des Miners bleiben und ihm ggf. neue Befehle geben, den Miner sich dumm ("If got enemys on my..." und er fliegt Heim, nur weil er einen Scout gesehen hat der ein paar Kilometer weg war).

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2002, 01:38:45 PM »
Hi, I didn't see the end of the 1st game, my Alleg crashed twice that game, though I reverted to my drivers I used before. Maybe it's the Alleg update, maybe SOVLogin, maybe installation remnants from the newest ATI drivers. I don't know.

Having not played Allegiance for months now, only with a few exceptions (mostly lasting only minutes), I do have to say that skills (mostly situation awareness) degrade quickly in this game when not played frequently. Not exactly latest news, but nevertheless all the more true.

OK, I think, playing frequently for - let's say - 1 month would be enough to revert to old skills, yet I don't know whether I really want to do that. I don't have as much time to spare now, thus I want that time I have left to be enjoyable. The GB vs World game yesterday wasn't very pleasing, nor have the few short games I attended been. Why?

Well, I dislike the blatancy of some players, mostly infantile Z's, telling how good they are, and/or how all the others suck. This has always been, but IMO, it seems to get worse. Also, I see quite some people bitching all the time, griping about why they are losing, constantly blaming other people.

I was quite annoyed when the some of our team bitched about miner def - though they were right, miner def was bad indeed. I tried to defend a specific miner, went out of the base even before the sf appeared, but was still too far away when he did. Then the bitching started...

Well, just my 2 cents...
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2002, 02:09:43 PM »
What is most effective vs miners?
I guess that is pretty difficult to tell. You can use scouts early in the game (even late in the game). You can use Ints (have low signature, can boost and deal out a large amount of damage), Enh., Adv. Figs are very nice for miner killing, too.
Sfs have the advantages of high scanrange and speed, but their disadvantages are: bad ship agility, low hit points, no boost and energy based weapons (although this can be an advantage for long time missions).

It is pretty easy to kill miners with SFs, even for the newbie. To kill a miner with an int, you need more experience. You need to know, where miners go to and which way they normally travel (elephanthead is a great miner killer in an int, fear him)...


Battlehawk, you are right, there is lot of bitching going on. But this can be understood, if you look at the time people have been playing Allegiance. I played it for 2 years now, I know the game by heart. I expect the same from the other players, but as soon as I realize I got newbies on my team, I ask them, if they need any help. I even give Bombers to newbies from time to time (when I am commanding).
I know, it is difficult to play Allegiance, I saw how Merrit first started, it made me laugh out loudly. :) But I really expect newbies to read the chat. The chat is the most important thing in the game. If they don't follow the chat, they never learn.
Another problem are the different orders they get. önu, ödo, ödm, öac... Und so weiter. Need Scouts, Defend Bombers, Defend Miners, Attack Constructors. What are they supposed to do now?
I asked two fighters to defend the miners, while they followed our bomber. I told them why, I did not use any swear words, I did not use any abbreviations, yet they did not listen.
Ok, I do accept that, for newbies it is not obvious, that bombers don't need fighter escorts, this is a standard mission in all other Space simulators (Wing Commander). Then I started to defend the miners (in the second game), well, sometimes I had help by one or two pilots, usually I was alone. It is so damn frustrating to see miners die, because noone else helped you against an onslaught of two or three sfs...
I still love the game, it is the best out there and I will keep on bringing newbies in. I like newbies :)

Bierfuizl, I'd like to remind you, no swearing. Read the rules. No personal insults. Keep it calm, even when it is hard to remain friendly... (Serebrone, our nice bomber pilot, nearly pushed me over the edge...)

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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2002, 04:24:42 PM »
What Grimm isn't saying is that he curses while playing as if he is paid for it.  >:(
But he keeps ist out of the chat! *bg*
To defend Newbies like me I've to say that some orders are absolute bs. I once was nanning a Bomber, and got about 3 orders in 10sec:

1: destroy teleport in.....
2: Pick up tech in.... (3 sectors away)
3: forgot what but it was nonsense to.

All these where explicit for Merrit and call me ignorant but I dind't react on any of them.
But if I understand why I'm asked to do something I try to do it.

BTW, I like önj (Need objectives) when I'm unsure what to do. Following önp in my "10 most often used voicechats" on pos2!  :upps:

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2002, 04:57:43 PM »
önj is the voicechat of a newbie, to be honest. This way I normally spot newbies on a team. A veteran does not ask that question, he knows what to do. :)

Edit: yes, I swear a lot while playing Allegiance. (wie ein "Rohrspatz") But I don't type it in the Allegiance chat, this is something completly different...

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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2002, 05:29:05 PM »
I know, and sayed so above. :kiss:
And i never got a missleading command from Grimm, pkk or many others but sometimes....
I didn't want to say commands are bad, I just wanted to point out that not everyone giving one is brill.

And I'm not using önj all the time. Often I try to see things on my own. But if I'm in a 40Player game I get lost quiet often.

BTW: I'm not giving Commands to anybody. So if you get one from me I got confused with chatting and the F3-Map.

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2002, 12:29:17 PM »
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Bierfuizl, I'd like to remind you, no swearing. Read the rules. No personal insults. Keep it calm, even when it is hard to remain friendly... (Serebrone, our nice bomber pilot, nearly pushed me over the edge...)


I know, I know. Mea culpa.

It just drives me crazy when EXPERIENCED players don't defend miners against tac opponents. We had plenty of good players that were NOT on the bomb run and still NO real miner D.

Same with defense at our first sup btw. Their bomber was vivible for ages. I continued the bomb run (would've taken too long to get back in bomber abyway - no rip at sup) but told the rest to rip home. Still we had least 3 scouts out in some enemy sectors instead of defending the sup. Sup dies. We loose. We almost had tp2 and enh figs up at that point. Their sy and tew tac would've been toast vs tp2. No need for many miners at that point.

So after asking politely for 5 times my patience sometimes runs out...

Next time I will stay at home and do it myself. Let some newbie bomb (NOT Sere ;)).
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